Debra J. Young is Sheer Velocity’s Co-Founder and Strategic Advisor. Before founding Sheer Velocity, she was Executive Vice President of a top five retained executive search firm. Prior to that, Ms. Young was a Managing Partner of a national boutique retained executive search firm responsible for starting their Denver office where she successfully managed the recruitment and placements of senior-level executives. Her human resources and recruiting career started four years prior while working as a Human Resources Administrator for a Fortune 500 company.

Ms. Young’s areas of practice include lower/middle market private equity, venture capital, family-owned, publicly traded and founder owned businesses where she understands the specific nuances of recruiting into each of them.  Within those markets she continues to successfully complete functional assignments for the C-Suite, President and top senior vice-president leadership roles in Finance, Sales, Operations, Human Resources, Marketing, Supply Chain, Logistics, and Transportation.

Ms. Young’s track record confirms she is a trusted partner to her clients. She exhibits the highest level of quality and professional service through a consultative approach, strong work ethic and impressive professional network. Her clients hold her in high regard as a professional businesswoman whose true passion is finding executives unparalleled career opportunities with exemplary companies. To reconfirm her commitment to finding the right talent for her clients, in addition to her keen ability to identify strong cultural fits, she is certified in the Hogan Assessment and performs that work for the firm.

Ms. Young earned her Bachelor of Music and Master of Arts Degrees from the University of Denver, a Paralegal Degree from Carthage College, and Human Resources Management Certification from Villanova University. Additionally, she holds a Professional Human Resources (PHR) Certification and is an active member of the Society for Human Resources Management and Mile High SHRM.

James Tastard is a Partner based in Houston, Texas, specializing in executive search across the energy and technology sectors. He works with clients spanning the entire energy value chain including upstream, midstream, downstream, oilfield services, EPC, manufacturing, equipment, power, utilities, and renewables, to identify and place senior leaders who drive transformation, growth, and long-term value.

With a focus on senior leaders, James also advises clients on executive and board-level appointments, leadership development, succession planning, coaching, and talent strategy. His approach integrates deep industry expertise with a proven ability to align leadership talent to organizational vision and strategic priorities.

Before becoming an executive search consultant, James served 20+ years in senior human resources leadership roles in private, public, and start-up environments. His roles included Chief Human Resources Officer, where he led teams of more than 100 professionals across 15 countries. He contributed to scaling enterprise revenue from $350 million to over $2 billion and directed organizational development initiatives that unlocked more than $18 billion in efficiency, growth, and M&A outcomes. Over his career, James has designed and executed talent strategies that recruited, developed, and mobilized more than 10,000 trades, professionals, and leaders, including more than 3,000 executives worldwide. This experience gives him a uniquely comprehensive perspective on leadership challenges from the field to the boardroom.

James holds a Ph.D. in Business, Organization, and Management from Capella University and a postgraduate certification in Leadership Coaching from Rice University. He is a certified executive coach with the International Coaching Federation (ICF) and an accredited member of the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD), where he holds the Certified Director (NACD.CD) designation. His board governance expertise adds a strategic dimension to his executive search practice, enabling him to align talent acquisition with leadership succession, organizational strategy, and board effectiveness.

Beyond his professional work, James is a husband and father devoted to youth leadership development. An active volunteer with Scouting America (formerly the Boy Scouts of America), he has mentored numerous scouts to the rank of Eagle Scout—among them his two sons. Together, they’ve hiked over 70 miles at Philmont Scout Ranch, sailed the Florida Keys and the Bahamas at Seabase, and trekked more than 100 miles through the Northern Tier boundary waters along the Minnesota–Canada border. James also enjoys playing tennis with his wife.

Michael Burroughs is s a Senior Partner in our St. Louis, Missouri office. He also serves as the Practice Leader of Sheer Velocity’s Executive Integration onboarding offering.

Michael has been recruiting, coaching and integrating senior executives for over 20 years.  He served for ten years as Managing Director and top producer of the St. Louis office of a “top ten” global retained executive search firm, placing executives in the US, Asia and Europe. He has recruited executives ranging from public company CEO to senior executives of some of the nation’s best-known nonprofit and healthcare organizations. Michael focuses his search work in the areas of general Industrial, Manufacturing, Life Sciences, Healthcare, Aerospace & Defense, and Nonprofits.

As an executive coach, Michael holds several coaching certifications and has worked with leaders from some of the world’s best-known companies, nonprofits and hospitals.

Michael has garnered international acclaim as a global thought leader in the critical field of executive integration. His groundbreaking book, Before Onboarding: How to Integrate New Leaders for Quick and Sustained Results, holds a five star rating on Amazon. He has presented his unique process to numerous professional organizations as a keynote speaker and has been published widely on this important subject. He has been interviewed by some of the nation’s leading publications including CEO World and appeared as a guest on several podcasts.

Michael has held Organization Development and program management executive positions for divisions of three Fortune 200 companies and is a retired U.S. Army colonel with 29 years of distinguished service to our country. While in the military he commanded organizations in the US and abroad and served as the chair for leadership, professional ethics, and communication instruction at a leading school for mid-career Army officers, as well as holding several high-level staff positions.

He was a pioneer in the emerging field of smartcard technology in healthcare, serving as the military’s project manager for the first prototype of this now ubiquitous application, even appearing as project spokesman in a special segment on the ABC World News Tonight.  His numerous awards and decorations include the Defense Superior Service Medal and the Legion of Merit.

Michael earned his Bachelor’s Degree in English at Middle Tennessee State University and a Master’s Degree in public administration from Clark University.

Alan is a self-professed deep tech enthusiast and life sciences devotee, known for blending academic curiosity with a knack for finding the right people to lead the next wave of scientific breakthroughs. Based in Chicago, Alan’s career has been a fascinating experiment in cross-pollination, mixing the rigor of university technology transfer with the art (and science) of executive search.

During his two decades at the University of Chicago’s Technology Transfer office, where he served as Associate Vice President and occasional coffee-fueled brainstormer-in-chief, Alan became a fixture in the world of academic innovation. He thrived on translating complex research into real-world ventures, working alongside scientists, inventors, and the occasional Nobel laureate to launch startups in diagnostics, bio-tools, medical devices, and biodefense. Alan has a particular talent for identifying and recruiting experienced entrepreneurs, those rare leaders with the vision and operational savvy to commercialize breakthrough technologies and drive them toward successful outcomes.

Alan’s unique blend of technical knowledge, academic experience, and executive search expertise allows him to spot entrepreneurial leaders who are truly equipped to commercialize breakthrough technologies. Having spent years at the University of Chicago Technology Transfer office, Alan developed an instinct for recognizing not only scientific excellence but also the rare leadership qualities and commercial acumen needed to transform promising research into thriving businesses. He excels at translating complex science into compelling business stories, which attracts entrepreneurs with the vision and operational know-how to bring innovations to market. By guiding founders to articulate their value proposition and refine their pitch, Alan ensures that the entrepreneurs he connects with early-stage ventures are prepared to inspire investors and drive successful outcomes. His broad network and deep understanding of both the scientific and business aspects of innovation make him exceptionally skilled at matching the right talent with the right technology for maximum impact.

Alan’s devotion to early-stage innovation extends beyond matchmaking talent. He has an uncanny ability to help entrepreneurs distill their scientific vision into a compelling story, sharpening their value proposition and ensuring their message resonates with both themselves and early-stage investors. Whether it’s refining a pitch or pulling together a PowerPoint deck that makes sense —and maybe even excites —Alan guides founders to clarity and confidence, helping them articulate not just what their technology does, but why it matters.

At Sheer Velocity, Alan has become a trusted guide for universities, startups, and government agencies (including DARPA and NSF), helping them recruit leaders who are as comfortable with a whiteboard as they are with a pitch deck. His dual perspective, rooted in both the scientific rigor of technology transfer and the strategic insight of executive recruiting, enables him to guide high-potential companies at the earliest stages of growth.

Alan approaches every search with uncompromising principles and a commitment to excellence. Detail-oriented and client-focused, he believes that finding the unique fit for each role is paramount and never rushes the process to a premature conclusion. This thoughtful, methodical approach ensures that every placement is a true partnership built to last.

With a BSc(Eng) in Chemical Engineering from University College London and an MBA from the University of Chicago, Alan brings both analytical rigor and an irrepressible curiosity to every search. Outside the office, he’s likely to be found running, cycling, sailing, kayaking, practicing yoga, or attempting to master the blues harmonica (with mixed results, but plenty of enthusiasm).

If you’re looking for someone who can navigate the worlds of academia, entrepreneurship, and executive search, with a dash of quirky charm, a talent for turning science into story, and a proven record of connecting technologies with the right entrepreneurial leaders, Alan is your go-to collaborator.

Noah Madison is a Partner in our Denver, Colorado office. He brings over seven and a half years of specialized executive search experience in the healthcare and life sciences sectors, particularly within private equity portfolio companies. His extensive background in recruitment is complemented by more than nine years in the outplacement industry, where he excelled in job search coaching, project management, and sales.

As the son of a private practice urology surgeon, Noah has a lifelong connection to the healthcare field and deeply understands the industry’s nuances. At his previous firm, he collaborated with clients across diverse sectors, including healthcare services, health technology, physician practice management, urgent care facilities, long-term care, behavioral health, pharmaceuticals, laboratory tools, and more.

During his nearly eight years as a consultant and coach in the outplacement industry, Noah traveled extensively—between 110,000 to 150,000 miles annually across the continental U.S.—gaining invaluable insights into the fabric of American communities. He has successfully worked with over 500 individual clients and facilitated group sessions for more than 1,500 participants. This experience has equipped him with a comprehensive understanding of various industries such as retail, consumer packaged goods, telecommunications, semiconductors, technology, fashion, food and beverage, hospitality, recreational products, banking, real estate, academia/education, pharmaceuticals, healthcare, paper products, utilities, oil and gas, energy, and defense.

As a retained search consultant, Noah is dedicated to helping organizations meet their talent needs by connecting them with individuals who will drive profitable and exponential growth. He approaches his work with a servant-leadership mindset, carefully linking candidates to opportunities that lead to fulfilling and rewarding careers.

He holds a Bachelor of Science in Management (BSM) in Finance from Tulane University and a Master’s degree from Virginia Tech. In his leisure time, Noah enjoys live music events, engaging in community service, watching the Nightly News with Lester Holt and Jeopardy, skiing, and developing his mental health and wellness startup, MentalFit.

Sarah Westbrook has successfully led engagement projects for numerous private equity portfolio companies across different industries, focusing on high-level roles such as CxO, EVP, SVP, and VP. Her passion lies in facilitating connections between companies and top executives, contributing to their mutual strategic success.

Sarah spent her early career honing management and entrepreneurial skills with her family’s local fire and security business in Maryland before venturing to expand her expertise into luxury property management.

In 2017, she made a pivotal move, joining J&J Search Partners and embarking on a career in the Executive Recruitment industry. Over the next five years, Sarah worked her way up from Research Associate to the Principal level, showcasing her dedication to learning the strategies of finding the right C-Level Executives for each growth stage of her client’s PE-backed portfolios. She has developed an extensive network of subject matter experts in critical positions while completing various complex retained search projects, extending beyond executive roles to cover Board of Director positions, Operating Partner and supporting Portfolio Operations roles, and Ad Hoc Private Equity Advisory Due Diligence contract engagements. She has collaborated with growth-focused private equity firms such as Banneker Partners, Bregal Partners, G.I. Partners, Roark Capital, Stellex Capital, and The Wicks Groups, to name a few.

Sarah holds a BA in Business Management from the Cameron School of Business at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington. She travels to and from San Francisco, CA, and Lahaina, Maui, HI. Sarah finds joy in sailing, hiking, water sports, and volunteering with the children of Lahaina. Notably, in 2012, she accomplished a transpacific crossing on a 42-foot ketch sailboat, demonstrating her adventurous spirit and ability to face unknown challenges.

Rui joins Sheer Velocity as our international search Advisor. Rui is the Founding Partner and Managing Partner of Ad Capita, a retained Executive Search firm in Portugal since 2001. With more than 35 years of business experience, Rui has held several executive positions with domestic and multinational organizations in sectors that include Insurance, Professional Services and Management Consulting, before starting his career in executive search.

In his role as an executive recruiter for the past 25 years, he has conducted many engagements for critically important C-level positions across sectors and geographies.

Rui is also a co-founder and currently serves as President of INAC – Global Executive Search, one of the leading recruiting networks in the world, providing talent advisory services in over 30 countries.

Rui completed his legal studies at Lisbon Law University and Executive Business Management in AESE/IESE Business School.

Additionally, Rui is active in the professional community and served on the Board of Directors in a variety of Human Resources and Management organizations at local and international levels. Rui is fluent in Portuguese, English and Spanish and proficient with French.

Angie has more than 20 years of experience in Chicago as a Human Resources recruiter working across the US. In her role, she specializes in the national placement of top caliber Human Resources talent at senior executive levels from Chief Human Resource Officers (CHRO), Chief Talent Officers(CTO), Vice Presidents and Directors. Her focus includes several functions including Organizational Development, Total Rewards, Talent Acquisition, Labor Relations, Talent Management, Strategic HR Analytics and HR Systems positions.

Angie challenges her clients and candidates in the same way she challenges herself by “daring them to be great”. This simple, but reflective, philosophy has helped her lead and consult with her clients and candidates to make life- and business-altering decisions that positively affect careers and corporations for years to come. Through her unwavering integrity and transparent approach, she regularly creates exceptional partnerships. Angie’s tenacity complimented by her expert knowledge of Human Resources, consistently delivers pragmatic and strategic long-term placements for her candidates and clients in start-up, growth, mid-size and Fortune 500 environments.

Prior to joining Sheer Velocity, Angie was a Senior Partner for Lucas Group’s Human Resources vertical, specialized in HR search where she was the #1 Recruiter nationally for her division. She began her career in executive search as a National Recruiter for Randstad HR, the second largest HR services provider in the World, when she segued from Corporate Human Resources as an HR Manager/Recruiter in the Technology & Security spaces. Throughout her recruiting career, she’s managed the careers of some of the top HR talent in the nation. Angie has made it her mission to continue to create exceptional relationships with game-changing talent in the Human Resources space.

Angie’s interest and passion for HR began early on as she holds a BS in Management and Human Resources from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Her zest for life is apparent in her personal life as well as she enjoys reading, Broadway theater, travel and scuba diving. Angie lives in a downtown neighborhood of Chicago, with her husband and two small children; big sister Piper and little man Brax. Though she has lived in Chicago for over 20+ years she has never fallen off the Green Bay Packer wagon.

Before joining Sheer Velocity, Claire Musngi was the Founder and Managing Partner of J&J Search Partners.  Her executive search practice primarily focuses on Private Equity Portfolio Operations and portfolio company CxO placements. She has since expanded her professional services offering to assist Private Equity deal teams in due diligence and advisory support as they look at potential investments and acquisitions.  Leveraging her decades-long experience working with Private Equity sponsors in pairing the right leaders and subject matter experts to ensure their portfolio companies deliver on their investment thesis, she understands the type of executives required for every stage during the investment hold.  Her candidates also become her clients and vice versa because she values the relationship and approaches every project with transparency and ethical professionalism, resulting in long-term partnerships.

Private Equity sponsors commission Claire’s searches, their portfolio Boards of Directors, and portfolio CxOs across the entire organization.  Before accepting search projects, Claire immerses herself in each portfolio company she represents while being commissioned to recruit the right executive for her PE sponsor.  Her completed assignments also bring valuable market research to help her PE sponsor tighten their growth strategy throughout the investment hold.

Before executive search, Claire spent 18 years in various senior leadership business development and global operations roles with global blue-chip companies, including FedEx, Kuehne-Nagel Inc., and Maersk Inc. Claire has worked both in Asia (Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Taiwan) and the U.S. (San Francisco and Chicago).

In her spare time, Claire is an avid traveler, looking for the perfect spots to immerse her love of global culture, world-class museums, exotic street foods, and a passion for outdoor rock climbing.  She holds a degree in Marketing Management and Business Administration from Maryknoll College.

Before joining Sheer Velocity, Jonathan worked at Korn Ferry, an Executive Recruiting firm specializing in assisting Fortune 500 companies with their executive search talent needs. He also founded his own business specializing in recruitment across the southwest, enhancing his skills as a polished retained search consultant.

Jonathan has also held leadership Human Resource roles with large multinational corporations. He was the Global Head of Human Resources for Pharmaceutical and Vision Care Manufacturing and Technical Operations for Alcon, Inc., a Fort Worth-based pharmaceutical and medical device company specializing in Eye Care. Jonathan has also led the HR function for global manufacturing sites across North and South America, Europe, and Asia.

Before Alcon, Jonathan spent over twenty years leading the HR functions for companies such as Toyota, Allergan, and Ingredion. Jonathan spent fifteen years living and working in Asia in the markets of Africa, China, Japan, Korea, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and Australia, where he helped companies’ start-up sales and manufacturing operations regionally.

Jonathan is also an adjunct professor of Global Business at Texas Christian University in Fort Worth, Texas. He earned his MBA from Thunderbird, the American Graduate School of International Business, and a bachelor’s degree from Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas. In addition to English, Jonathan speaks Spanish and Mandarin Chinese. 

Over the past 25 years, Leanne has cultivated a robust national and global network, assisting companies in curating talent teams that resonate with their unique cultures. From nurturing startups to expanding global enterprises, Leanne’s award-winning skills champion a company’s ethos, ensuring alignment with its vision. Her career spans diverse sectors, including Land and Environmental Engineering, Real Estate Development, Retail, Commercial Insurance, Healthcare, and, most notably, Technology & CyberSecurity.

With 10+ years of experience in Full-cycle Recruiting, HR, and Operational support, Leanne brings a profound passion for driving talent and companies toward success. Recognized for her aptitude in identifying the perfect fit for roles, she bridges employers and candidates, fostering relationships built on trust and mutual growth.

Leanne has a proven track record in identifying and securing top-tier talent, from department roles to C-suite positions. She establishes immediate trust with clients and candidates, positioning herself as a reliable advisor, ensuring efficient communications, and promoting a company’s culture. Leanne is proficient in diagnosing organizational challenges and implementing successful solutions by guiding employees, managers, and executives in process creation, departmental and company growth, and career development.

Leanne holds a Bachelor’s degree in Business Administration from Pennsylvania State University. She moved across the country in the early 2000s and worked across various industries until landing in Colorado in 2005. Outside of work, Leanne enjoys spending time with her family and dogs. An avid hiker, she is also deeply involved in animal rescues, often fostering dogs.

Leanne draws on over 30 years of progressive experience in management, consulting and executive search to deliver impactful human capital solutions across a wide range of industries. She has completed searches at all levels from Brand Manager to CEO for a variety of global organizations including private equity backed startups to Fortune 100 companies.

Most recently, Leanne led Executive Recruitment for Whirlpool Corporation where, together with her team, she conducted searches across multiple functions and geographies at the Senior Manager through SVP level for the company.

Prior to that, Leanne built and ran her own firm, Elk Meadow Partners where she completed searches for a variety of clients across multiple practice areas including CPG, Retail & Hospitality, Apparel & Sporting Goods, Healthcare & Pharma, Manufacturing & Infrastructure, Renewable Energy and more.

Prior to that, she served as Director of Practice Management for the Industrial Practice of Heidrick & Struggles – one of the world’s premier leadership consulting and executive search firms. She and her team supported over 125 recruiters around the world, providing comprehensive recruiting support across various sectors.

In her prior role with H&S, Leanne helped to build the firm’s Global Marketing & Sales Officers practice to become the largest in the world. There she focused on building proactive relationships with top talent and developed ground-breaking thought leadership related to human capital, talent management and leadership dynamics in marketing, sales and innovation. Leanne also helped to place Chief Marketing Officers, Chief Commercial Officers and heads of Sales, R&D and Research at over 30 different organizations globally.

Leanne’s marketing experience comes from top tier companies including Procter & Gamble, Bristol Myers, Reckitt-Benckiser, Ford Motor Company, Intercontinental Hotels and Russell Corporation. More recently, she was a marketing consultant for the Zyman Group, developing marketing strategy and providing implementation guidance to companies in several industries including automotive, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, telecommunications, food and beverage, and retail.

Leanne was also appointed to lead the firm’s overall marketing efforts and served as Director of Brand Management reporting directly to Sergio Zyman, the firm’s founder. There she helped launch the Institute of Brand Science, a unique partnership of industry and academia dedicated to optimizing business performance via brands.

Leanne earned her MBA at Duke University and has a BA in Economics from Middlebury College where she graduated with honors. She is a citizen of the USA, Canada and Switzerland, and is fluent in French. Leanne and her family live in Denver where she enjoys horseback riding, skiing, sailing and gardening. She also serves as a volunteer/leader with many local organizations including the Boy Scouts, Evergreen High School and the Evergreen Chorale.

Todd Cowles is the Managing Director for the Seattle office of Sheer Velocity. Before joining Sheer Velocity as a retained executive search consultant, Todd brings years of experience in sales leadership, recruiting and independent partner channel development to our organization. Beyond his “day jobs” across the years, he also has a unique background in non-profit volunteer, event and board work.

The bulk of Todd’s career has been spent building businesses within the building automation and energy management industries, both in the United States and abroad. From Fortune 100 companies including Siemens and Honeywell to a couple of start-ups, Todd will tell you he has been very fortunate to have had experience ranging from formal training and very structured business practices to dealing with the blank slate of very raw businesses coming out of the ground. Recruiting key employees for his organization and their channel partners has been a key driver to profitable growth across the years.

Todd is a strong believer in matching individuals to companies and roles based on motivation, culture and potential to succeed. There can certainly be technical skills and specific experience as minimums, but the match needs to be made on the things that cannot be taught. Todd has felt both the pain and the satisfaction of a hire that misses the mark versus one that perfectly matches the person to the opportunity. He understands how costly the misses can be and how everyone wins when things are done right.

Todd has a Bachelor’s Degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Washington. He lives in the greater Seattle area with his two sons. Any spare time is spent outdoors, biking, hiking, skiing and kayaking. Volunteering and community service is an energizing part of Todd’s life as he works with several local charities, plus he is the director of his own small non-profit to support a large mountain biking event each January in Seattle.

Bobbi joins Sheer Velocity with over 15 years of experience as an executive recruiter in Denver across a multitude of industries. Bobbi has more recently focused her recruiting acumen within the private equity portfolio sector where she identifies the needs of her clients and pairing that with candidates that can deliver. She pulls on her diverse background in business as an entrepreneur to investment banking where she was tasked with developing functional and saleable management teams for companies seeking to raise capital.

Bobbi started her career in the Biological Sciences performing Diabetes research where she published four scientific articles. Drawn to business, she returned to the University of Colorado to pursue an MBA in Business. During that time, she developed a business plan which drew the attention of equity backers resulting in the launch of Black Widow Brewing Company that was eventually acquired by a larger regional group six years later.

Bobbi then joined the IIB where she became their top recruiter of consultants. From here she served as VP of the Riderwood Group, an Investment Banking firm out of Maryland working with management teams in many industries preparing the company for a major capital raise. Upon leaving, she continued her career doing what she loved, recruiting executives.

Bobbi resides in Longmont, CO with her husband. Their 4 children are grown but now have 4 mastiff dogs, and usually 1-2 foster dogs. They devote their passion and time into rescuing giant breed dogs.

Kirsten Parus joins Sheer Velocity as our Vice President of Strategic Accounts following her tenure as an Executive Search Recruiter in Denver working globally for a top five retained executive search firm. Kirsten’s executive placements have focused within the Energy, Mining, Construction, Industrial and Financial Services sectors. She has contributed to searches for Walt Disney Imagineering, Kiewit Energy, Kiewit Mining, Husky Energy, Meridian Infrastructure, Fairmount Minerals, and Focus Corporation as well as Hamon Deltak, Real Goods Solar, Holland Partners, Capital Safety, and MakuCell.

Prior to her tenure within the executive search industry, Kirsten worked in banking and financial services for ten years with institutions such as Mutual of New York, Bank of America and J.P. Morgan Chase. Across her career, she has enjoyed tremendous success building relationships at every level, from middle management to the C-suite.

Kirsten holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration with an emphasis in Marketing from the University of Minnesota. She is also a Dale Carnegie Sales Course graduate, and was recognized by her instructors for “Best Sales Reports” and “Best Continuous Performance.” Additionally, Kirsten received the highest Dale Carnegie honors and was voted “Sales Talk Champion” by her fellow students. Thanks to her exemplary performance, Kirsten was recruited as a Group leader for future Dale Carnegie classes.

Kirsten resides in Littleton, Colorado with her husband and three daughters. She enjoys spending time with her family, running, skiing and playing golf.